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		<title>By: johanna</title>
		<link>http://www.foodwoolf.com/2010/05/nyt-writer-in-forgione-kitchen.html#comment-1048</link>
		<dc:creator>johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lieber tried &#039;&#039;fixing&#039;&#039; the problem in the same way the chef did--it didn&#039;t work the second time either!  2 egos don&#039;t make a right....plus, trespassing is always wrong.

jg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lieber tried &#8221;fixing&#8221; the problem in the same way the chef did&#8211;it didn&#8217;t work the second time either!  2 egos don&#8217;t make a right&#8230;.plus, trespassing is always wrong.</p>
<p>jg</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, this story is about stopping a bully in his tracks. I think Lieber did the right thing, and I&#039;d like to think I&#039;d do the same if I were in his situation.  Although I&#039;m not 6&#039;3&quot; like Lieber is.

Dan
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, this story is about stopping a bully in his tracks. I think Lieber did the right thing, and I&#8217;d like to think I&#8217;d do the same if I were in his situation.  Although I&#8217;m not 6&#8217;3&#8243; like Lieber is.</p>
<p>Dan<br />
Casual Kitchen</p>
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		<title>By: morty goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>morty goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brooke, excellent, concise writing and i totally agree with you. if that jerk lieber would&#039;ve went into our kitchen i woulda had danny and luis kick his monkey ass,  hell i mighta done it myself   sincerely Morty Goldstein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brooke, excellent, concise writing and i totally agree with you. if that jerk lieber would&#8217;ve went into our kitchen i woulda had danny and luis kick his monkey ass,  hell i mighta done it myself   sincerely Morty Goldstein</p>
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		<title>By: irvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>irvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 05:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m split 50/50 in terms of seeing both the chef and Lieber&#039;s view point in this one.

But in the end, no matter how much I understand and appreciate Lieber&#039;s point of view, I have to say that as much as he purports that the chef was being a jerk and being disruptive to the dining room, the only way I can read the situation is that Lieber is a narcissist.

Because here&#039;s the thing. No matter what&#039;s going on, walking into the sanctuary of the kitchen and telling off the chef is NOT going to diffuse any situation. It&#039;s only going to piss the chef off all the more, and it&#039;s going get the chef so furious at both Lieber, and the initial employee, that there will be no good outcome.

Lieber should have understood this. It&#039;s just human nature. You, as a complete stranger, have VERY little sway on someone else&#039;s emotion. If something is going on that is causing a scene in the dining room, then notify the manager, or someone else in authority at the restaurant and let them know it&#039;s unacceptable. But don&#039;t presume that YOU have some magical power to make everything better. Because you don&#039;t.

And, just for the record, I have never worked in the restaurant industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m split 50/50 in terms of seeing both the chef and Lieber&#8217;s view point in this one.</p>
<p>But in the end, no matter how much I understand and appreciate Lieber&#8217;s point of view, I have to say that as much as he purports that the chef was being a jerk and being disruptive to the dining room, the only way I can read the situation is that Lieber is a narcissist.</p>
<p>Because here&#8217;s the thing. No matter what&#8217;s going on, walking into the sanctuary of the kitchen and telling off the chef is NOT going to diffuse any situation. It&#8217;s only going to piss the chef off all the more, and it&#8217;s going get the chef so furious at both Lieber, and the initial employee, that there will be no good outcome.</p>
<p>Lieber should have understood this. It&#8217;s just human nature. You, as a complete stranger, have VERY little sway on someone else&#8217;s emotion. If something is going on that is causing a scene in the dining room, then notify the manager, or someone else in authority at the restaurant and let them know it&#8217;s unacceptable. But don&#8217;t presume that YOU have some magical power to make everything better. Because you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And, just for the record, I have never worked in the restaurant industry.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 17:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hate to hear stories of bosses tearing in to staff members. I have personally worked at a company (not food related) where this kind of action happened every day, and it is not a situation that anyone should ever have to deal with.

To make it worse, that poor person then has to go out, put on a brave face, and serve customers who they know heard the chef who obviously has no self control humiliating him in front of the staff and restaurant goers.

I understand your point that patron&#039;s shouldn&#039;t go back in to the kitchen. It is dangerous back there, and just from a liability point of view, rather silly. The best thing honestly would have been to request to talk to the chef, and chat with him by the bar.

I hope this doesn&#039;t get your back up, because it is certainly isn&#039;t meant to - but in my mind certain chef&#039;s out there need to realize that this is a customer service business. They also need to realize that the atmosphere of a restaurant is really what sells the place. I have heard chef&#039;s rip in to staff before in restaurants, and have never gone back. I have also always left a note with my check saying so, and why. I would certainly never dream of storming in to a kitchen to talk with the chef however, unless I really felt like someone was about to be physically attacked.

I think at the end of the day there are two sides to take here. Most people that work in restaurants are going to typically take the &quot;this customer was out of order&quot; side, while most people with no restaurant experience (myself) are going to generally take the side of the NYTimes writer. Glad to read your very objective and smart post on this one Brooke!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hate to hear stories of bosses tearing in to staff members. I have personally worked at a company (not food related) where this kind of action happened every day, and it is not a situation that anyone should ever have to deal with.</p>
<p>To make it worse, that poor person then has to go out, put on a brave face, and serve customers who they know heard the chef who obviously has no self control humiliating him in front of the staff and restaurant goers.</p>
<p>I understand your point that patron&#8217;s shouldn&#8217;t go back in to the kitchen. It is dangerous back there, and just from a liability point of view, rather silly. The best thing honestly would have been to request to talk to the chef, and chat with him by the bar.</p>
<p>I hope this doesn&#8217;t get your back up, because it is certainly isn&#8217;t meant to &#8211; but in my mind certain chef&#8217;s out there need to realize that this is a customer service business. They also need to realize that the atmosphere of a restaurant is really what sells the place. I have heard chef&#8217;s rip in to staff before in restaurants, and have never gone back. I have also always left a note with my check saying so, and why. I would certainly never dream of storming in to a kitchen to talk with the chef however, unless I really felt like someone was about to be physically attacked.</p>
<p>I think at the end of the day there are two sides to take here. Most people that work in restaurants are going to typically take the &#8220;this customer was out of order&#8221; side, while most people with no restaurant experience (myself) are going to generally take the side of the NYTimes writer. Glad to read your very objective and smart post on this one Brooke!</p>
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		<title>By: Moe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 06:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with the Food Woolf on this one. Having worked in restaurants for many, many years, I&#039;ve been subjected to the abuse of more than a few...colorful personalities.  That said, unless you have a death wish, or at least a maim wish, stay out of the kitchen. If offended by the chef&#039;s behavior, make your displeasure known to whoever&#039;s managing the place, cancel your meal (though this is extremely inconvenient), take your business elsewhere if you see fit. But for the love of life, limb, and all that is holy, stay away from the kitchen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with the Food Woolf on this one. Having worked in restaurants for many, many years, I&#8217;ve been subjected to the abuse of more than a few&#8230;colorful personalities.  That said, unless you have a death wish, or at least a maim wish, stay out of the kitchen. If offended by the chef&#8217;s behavior, make your displeasure known to whoever&#8217;s managing the place, cancel your meal (though this is extremely inconvenient), take your business elsewhere if you see fit. But for the love of life, limb, and all that is holy, stay away from the kitchen.</p>
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		<title>By: An Ego explosion during the dinner rush creates controversy and divides NYC &#124; Freshman in the Kitchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Ego explosion during the dinner rush creates controversy and divides NYC &#124; Freshman in the Kitchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 00:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blogger Food Woolf&#8217;s (a 15 year restaurant veteran) take on the situation here: foodwoolf.com/2010/05/nyt-writer-in-forgione-kitchen.html   [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blogger Food Woolf&#8217;s (a 15 year restaurant veteran) take on the situation here: foodwoolf.com/2010/05/nyt-writer-in-forgione-kitchen.html   [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Food Woolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Food Woolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 20:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in complete agreement with you on your point--public outbursts like his just aren&#039;t okay. I don&#039;t condone screaming or think it&#039;s conducive to the work environment AT ALL. Storming into the kitchen doesn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in complete agreement with you on your point&#8211;public outbursts like his just aren&#8217;t okay. I don&#8217;t condone screaming or think it&#8217;s conducive to the work environment AT ALL. Storming into the kitchen doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamar@StarvingofftheLand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamar@StarvingofftheLand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 19:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brooke -- I&#039;m totally with you that a diner&#039;s got no business going into a restaurant kitchen uninvited.  I&#039;m also totally with you that a diner should have nothing to say about how a chef is managing his staff.  However, it&#039;s worth noting that a chef&#039;s got no business bringing his staff disputes into the dining room, either.  By having an audible (and uncomfortable) confrontation with an employee within earshot of his customers, it was the chef who first violated the chef/diner boundary.  Even so, I think Leiber should stay out of the kitchen (and your point about the sharp knives would have been the deciding factor for me), but he could reasonably claim that it was the chef who came into the dining room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brooke &#8212; I&#8217;m totally with you that a diner&#8217;s got no business going into a restaurant kitchen uninvited.  I&#8217;m also totally with you that a diner should have nothing to say about how a chef is managing his staff.  However, it&#8217;s worth noting that a chef&#8217;s got no business bringing his staff disputes into the dining room, either.  By having an audible (and uncomfortable) confrontation with an employee within earshot of his customers, it was the chef who first violated the chef/diner boundary.  Even so, I think Leiber should stay out of the kitchen (and your point about the sharp knives would have been the deciding factor for me), but he could reasonably claim that it was the chef who came into the dining room.</p>
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		<title>By: TikiPundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>TikiPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 02:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What exactly does a finance reporter know about the inner workings of a professional kitchen?&quot;

Huh?  What does a finance reporter HAVE to know about that, since that wasn&#039;t the topic?  The topic was disturbance in the dining room that emanated from the kitchen.

After 15 years in restos, you know by now that the money-generating dining room trumps the special world of the kitchen.  It&#039;s about the revenue, not about sacred hearts.  And the best chefs understand that -- and so do the best leaders.  One &quot;praises publicly and criticizes privately,&quot; something this stressed chef didn&#039;t do.

Bringing the berate debate to the dining room was this chef&#039;s second mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What exactly does a finance reporter know about the inner workings of a professional kitchen?&#8221;</p>
<p>Huh?  What does a finance reporter HAVE to know about that, since that wasn&#8217;t the topic?  The topic was disturbance in the dining room that emanated from the kitchen.</p>
<p>After 15 years in restos, you know by now that the money-generating dining room trumps the special world of the kitchen.  It&#8217;s about the revenue, not about sacred hearts.  And the best chefs understand that &#8212; and so do the best leaders.  One &#8220;praises publicly and criticizes privately,&#8221; something this stressed chef didn&#8217;t do.</p>
<p>Bringing the berate debate to the dining room was this chef&#8217;s second mistake.</p>
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